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I think we all know just what happens now,...and Tony-Ray's crying about it even as we speak. His body has jerked in reaction to that last thing he just heard, a reaction of gut-wrenching horror, disgust, self-hatred, and searing anguish all at once... Look at his eyes!

She's no longer innocent,..nor the ultimate good Samaritan,...nor the lifesaving "hero" figure... She just smeared that in some unknown victim's blood.

She just admitted that she would gladly be willingly evil for him (perhaps even BECAUSEof him)... By his own actions, and by her own admittance,...he has inspired her toward the "hunting", the torture,...the butchery of others...

I'm afraid, like Havoc has already said,... that she has become,...with that simple last phrase,...the very type of monster he's destroyed in the past... The kind of monster who's balls we've even seen him eat...

...a monster of his own making,... and even worse...

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...a monster like himself...


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Knives. They just keep slippin' these days...

To those who think the girl knew too much and has to be put to sleep, I reckon say she knew far from that. It is not what she knew, but what she could use her knowledge to become. She was as attracted to Tony as the charismatic rowdy fellow we all know but as to her own monstrous nature, or should I say potential, and she saw Tony as the easy vessel for achieving it. Everyone of us has this dark desire inside which we want to let blossom in a chaotic celebration of life by taking it, but we have those legions of voices that tell us not. If she was only let to shun those voices, to provide them with an answer of a boarish grunt, she could be free and she could become what she always wanted to. A bad girl. A bad girl indeed. One that needs spanking. One that every other good girl would look up and burn inside with envious venom.

Question is... what does Tony has to say about that?

Uthalla's presence in this page is no without purpose - as if something is ever without purpose in the land of Andrew's SLOP. Once upon a time Tony faced the same question with her, the same choice, the same tempting proposition and he made it instead of her. He chained her. He locked her. He broke her. He shaped her again, from the thousands of pieces. He slowly witnessed - realizing the darkness inside him that spawns in everything he touches - how she staggered on her feet again, how she grew up to be a monster far worse than he have expected. Even if she could - those gator genes should not be taken lightly. And now he faces someone who - despite hardly having the same potential to endure the whole course - offers the same sweet fruit. What does Tony have to do?

This time Tony didn't make the choice. He took the choice. He took it away with a slip of a knife. He threw it in the gutter. He didn't even look.

It's easier this way.


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So this was Jen's purpose. Well played, Mulefoot, as I did not see this part of Jen's personality coming. I did not anticipate this revelation but this was more horrible than anything I could have predicted. Oh, how the pig is going to suffer in two ways. The first, the dream girl he had so wanted is a loathesome beast whose true ambitions he despises. The second is Jen never wanted him, she wants the killer and brutalizer that Tony-Ray doesn't want to be. In other words, she has become "slop."

*the ringwolf stands up and applauds the author* Whether she lives or dies it doesn't really matter anymore. This exit is closed.

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However,..now allow me to throw a long-winded wrench in my earlier "reactive" post.

I took a moment, and began considering a similar case I had once known.

We hear her tell of a "confession", and we see that she has come to understand things that even we, the readers, are not privy to, concerning Tony-Ray's past...

We have come to understand, to some extent, Mulefoot's twisted sense of honor concerning many of his reasons (and hidden reasoning) for the things he does. It's almost as if he has become a begrudging tool forged in the fires of past warfare. He was trained to be a killer, by those who wanted him to kill the "bad guy",..the "enemy",..trained for it,..paid for it,..all in the name of patriotism and justice. He killed for the government,..bloodily and brutally,..long before he began killing his roadside victims... What he does now is, to some extent, a helpless and fearful extension of what he was trained to do,...and perhaps did quite well, in the Thaikong conflict of his own past.

What CAN you become,..when the extent of your training and experience has been the killing of others? Some people break under such pressures.... Tony-Ray did. He's broken,..he knows it,...but he goes on,..because that's ALL he really knows... It's the source of his pain,..his loneliness,..his self-hatred... And it's the only thing he's really been trained to do...

...and he's GOOD at it...

What's more,...he's had it instilled in him that to do this "job",..sometimes the innocent has to die to get to the "bad guy"... They sure did in Thaikong,..I'm sure... They got "mixed up" in a soldier's problems, just like that poor bobcat girl...

So now,..what is he doing? With a dead-end job like carcass-hauling,...he really only has what he was trained to do,....what he DID, for countless years....

He gladly ate those balls earlier,..because that was the kind of person who's balls you should eat,..right? He was the "enemy" right? An escapee from justice,...who deserved his fate,......right?

How many more have there been for Muley,..just like that one... And Tony-Ray has been their judge, their jury,..and their executioner...

...just like he was in the war....

....except,..this time,..there are no commanders telling him that he's performing his "duty" with honor,..there are no offensives where he feels that his actions are justified by orders,..or the actions of other soldiers around him... And so he began hating himself for what he felt he still must do,..because it's the only thing he knows,....and because it needs doing....

But without "orders" there IS no proactive hunt.... There is only who he finds on the roadside,...and of course,..his own "unique" sexual needs that somehow, either during the attrocity of war or somewhere else in his dark past, has "slipped in there" at some point,..and must be fed from time to time....

And now Jen has entered the picture...

Perhaps,..in some twisted way,..she understands this... Perhaps SHE has always harbored the desire to see "bad" people "get what they deserve"...

...and she sees Tony-Ray as the well crafted machine designed by past war, duty, and training, to be enabled to DO it.. It merely ADDS to the value that he happens to enjoy the same kinks she does....

What she saw with Cucuy,...and what she heard of his past actions against such people excited her... She didn't feel sorry for them,...or for him... Not for them because,..well,...they "deserved it",...and not for him because he was MADE to do it,...it's his destiny perhaps (in her mind) to keep performing such vigilante justice...

What bothers her is how hurt he is by it all,...how painfully damaged,..both physically (after what happened at the bar) and mentally, because he hate's his "job"... And hates himself because he can no longer believe that what he's doing is right,..but he can't stop it...

And she,....she perhaps, see's herself as heroic in attempting to help him, to heal him,..to get him "better"... Not to stop the killing, mind you,..but to help make him understand that, as far as she's concerned, he IS still doing the "right thing" by murdering the "bad guy",..by removing the "enemy" from our lives,......just like old times...

But I don't think Mulefoot romanticizes the "old times" like she does... I think they soil his soul, as does any terrible "duty". He doesn't want it,..but he can't avoid it,....and now,...she wants him to feel GOOD about it... To embrace it like a "hunt" for the enemy, instead of merely the "old ways" kicking in when he just happens to come across someone like that on the highway... But he's so very lonely,...not just for sexual companionship,..or even love....

...but instead, he's lonely for lack of approval,...someone to be supportive of him,....not necessarily of his actions,....but of him as an individual...

He really does hate himself so much, however,..that finding such a person may not necessarily be a treasure. He just can't separate himself from his past enough to forgive someone who might love him for who he IS... Unless he harbors a glimmer of hope that that same person might help him become somehow "better" than who he is...

But sadly,..in the world of SLOP,..hope seems pretty hard to come by...

...and thus, the last panel can still be such a "cliff-hanger"...

Jadúgara ^_^


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I don't concur, Jadúgara. Jen doesn't accept the vepr as himself. It's the vepr who is the beast, the destroyer, that she is after. She is a sadist by her own admission, that she wants to see suffering. If Tony could stop himself, if he could dig down and find the strength to change, do you think Jen would accept that? I don't think she would want that pig. She wants the pig that "destroyed" Cucuy, who murdered Travis and Tawny, who raped Bryce, who kidnapped and violated Uthalla, who almost lost control on Takamo and Marian, and who knows what else - that's the vepr she wants.

Tony knows what he has been doing is wrong. To his own thinking there is nothing commendable in his actions and what he has done to others. It bothers him. I cannot back up my next point but I think he wants to be bothered by what he has done, that he does not want to lose the feelings of remorse over doing such things. In a way I think he clings to those feelings as a means to restrain himself. This is the pig Mulefoot is.

So what would Jen be to Tony? As has been said, Jen wants to hunt. Jen wants Tony to maim, capture, rape, and kill with her as his adoring accomplice. She wants Tony's restraints to come off and his remorse to fade into nothing. A remorseless victimizer is what Tony would have to be if Jen is to remain at his side. Jen doesn't know Tony and it is doubtful she really wants to know who he really is.

Again, I have to reiterate that I don't think the Thaikong conflict made Tony or conditioned him for his wanton ways. The conflict undoubtedly had many other soldiers surviving the rigors of that war and yet there doesn't seem to be close scrutiny of the veterans when people turn up missing nor are there stories in the news of other serial rapes/slayings. Mulefoot may like hanging out with other veterans but I don't think he shares this thing with them.

Unless "Slop"has it different, a soldier's training to kill the enemy isn't steeped in the indoctrination that the enemy are "bad people" but because the enemy will kill you and your buddies. A soldier must kill the enemy or the soldier will be killed by the enemy. So where does that leave us with a root cause? Tony's start is more unique than this. And I think the impetus was earlier.

When Mulefoot was laid out after that bar fight and was having flashbacks there was one image that didn't seem to suggest that Tony was an adult. It didn't seem to fit because of what she was wearing - a cheerleader's uniform. What does that one image of a cheerleader on the ground indicate other than giving us a "when" in Tony's life? I think that's a clue to let us know that Tony started on his path before he was a soldier. I'm not saying that the vepr's participation in Thaikong didn't make him worse off. I'm saying that the war didn't make him what he is.

Mulefoot isn't that simple.

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Tonight I'm remembering how heartbroken I was that Tony Ray was probably going to kill Jen. I think I said "He has found the greatest thing in life; someone who knows you and loves you for what you are. And he's probably going to kill her."

I'm a sap to believe that's the greatest thing in life. But I'm not alone. We've all had people tell us that, right? Over and over again until we believe it.

Now Mulefoot has educated me yet again. Having someone love you for what you are is the greatest thing possible-- unless it's the worst thing possible.

"I love you for what you are, Tony. I love the killer, the torturer, the monster who preys on good and evil alike, whomever comes into his sights when the mood strikes. You're a torturer and a murderer, and I love you for it."

And somewhere inside the pig, he had to be saying "No, there's still some good in me. I'm not that monster, killer, torturer. That's not what I really am."

At that moment, something deeper inside him said "Oh yes you are!" And the knife moved.


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Actually, I don't think he killed Jen. Look carefully at the pictures, first the knife is turned with its edge towards her throat, then in the last picture where the knife is shown, the blade is again turned AWAY from her throat. So I would think the knife more moved itself to not cut her.

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This is one of my favourite pages ever, for two reasons - the first being the image of Ulthalla, which is a tantalizing glimpse at where her bile comes from (which in turn makes the origins of Mulefoot's even more intriguing.) Sencondly, it's the best page ending/cliffhanger. Ever.

Our storyteller likes to tease. Good Pig.

Incidentally, if Jen does happen to get her wish, and the two of them end up rampaging off into a blood-soaked sunset hand in hand, I'd be surprised, but no less satisfied. The psychology of couple-murderers (for want of a better phrase) is like a three legged dog or a car wreck - you can't look away, even if it's repugnant. It makes us (or me anyways) examine the nature of love and faith in another person, and how it can go awry and make us cross boundaries we would never expect ourselves to. One such case that has always morbidly interested me is the The main murderer Bunting obviously had awesomely unresolved issues regarding sexuality, and the charisma of Hitler to entagle so many others in his murders. It also raises big questions in regards to self-repression and release... Creepy, fecked-up stuff.

Such a good page, and proof that Slop lets us look at our dirty little inner secrets.

*tips her hat to Mr. Muley*

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